Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Gutnick took a trip to Gush Katif today in order to complete his preparations for a huge campaign he is planning in order to halt the expulsion plan. Rabbi Gutnick and his wife, accompanied by journalist, Shmuel Shmueli, and Rabbi Hillel Horowits, started out at Elei Sinai in the north of
The guests met with students of the 'Maaleh Ephraim' Yeshiva who have relocated and are now students in Elei Sinai. The yeshiva's management asked for a contingent of Chabad bochrim to reinforce the settlement. The group set out from there to Neve Dekalim, and was hosted at the home of Reb Yigal Kirshenzaft where they had lunch. As they arrived they heard the sound of mortar shells which just fallen and the settlers were instructed to take shelter in secure spaces. The visitors davened Minchah in the new yeshiva which was recently opened by Reb Eli Poltrack who arrived with a group of bochrim from
what grandiose plan could Yosel have in mind that would be forceful enough to stop the policy of the Israeli government and the Israeli army from obeying their commands to evacuate. Is it just another publicity stunt for media attention? The deal is done, the only grand plan that can help stop it now is the Ribono Shel Olam's Master Plan.More grandstanding from Yosel will not do a thing.
ReplyDeleteSharon BEWARE..Yossel's over there!!!
ReplyDeleteWho cares?
ReplyDeleteAnyone here think that Yossel will allow himself to be bashed up by the police and soldiers fighting the settlers??
ReplyDeleteHe can always fly back to his manison in Yerushalayim and tell the media all about the brave settlers.
ReplyDeleteIts easy to be sarcastic about Yossel, maybe its your jealosy. I think he has done more for Israel than anyone else in Australia.
ReplyDeleteHve he or his kids served in the IDF or made aliyah?
ReplyDeleteWhat has he actually done for Israel?
ReplyDeleteThe good Rabbi Yossel Gutnick has given heaps of money to everything Jewish around the globe, including Kfar Chabad and Tzefas in Israel. He sponsors the annual Bar/Bas Mitzva ceremony at the Kottel for hundreds of Israeli orphans. He built his own Shul (770), does not charge membership fees, seats are free on Rosh HaShonna & Yom Kippur. Not to mention the free monthly kiddush! Would you even dream of doing a fraction of that, if you won the lottery tomorrow ?
ReplyDeletewhat a guy!
ReplyDeleteI sthat the same good RYG who closed down the rebbe's shul, mens mikva and school in sydney - utterly destroying the life of the rebe's appointed head shliach there?
ReplyDeleteRubbish. If the community had supported their "Head Shaliach" they could have raised the money needed. It was the HS himself that destoyed his own position.
ReplyDeleteYosel has no membership fees in his shule, offers free food at kiddushes, free seats on Rosh Hashanah & Yom Kippur. It is all true.
ReplyDeleteIn return, he expects deference and submission to his will in all matters. He wants only 'yes-men' around. His shule is an extension of his ego and nothing more.
Whatever..But destroying the rebbes shul and mosdos and taking about $15 million away at the same time don't sound right to me.
ReplyDeleteWhen Yossel will be zocheh one day to meet the rebbe face-to-face, will he have an acceptable excuse?
I don't believe that you can lay all the blame on Yossel for what happened in Sydney. He certainly helped it along but things had been heading downhill for many years.
ReplyDeleteB"H from the ashes of Sydney the Tzemach Tzedek community was created. This is a model of a chassidishe community which had never before existed in Sydney. There is always a silver lining.
True TzTz is a nice community one that we don't even have in Melb! I put it down to them having a rav a true and genuine talmid chacham, a chacham and a yerei shomayim who is out to improve not only Chabads image and spread Chabad philosphy
ReplyDeletebut GOOD OLD FASHIONED YIDDISHKEIT - Torah and Mitzvos.
I wish him great hatzlacha and pray for the day that we in Chabadniks Melb find someone like that.
But I doubt that telling this to the rebbe will pacify him about the churban wreaked upon his community there
Anyone who knows anything about Sydney will tell you that the churban occurred many years ago. What RYG did was just to help the end come faster.
ReplyDeleteThe Tzemach Tzedek community is such a success due, as you say, to their Rav. But also due to the fact that it is a true community - everybody is involved, has a say and consequently works for the good of the community. This is the complete opposite to how Sydney was previously and how Melbourne is now.
and how most of Lubavitch is!
ReplyDeleteUnlike a previous comment, Yossel did NOT cause a "churban" in Sydney. He simply recalled a loan. Wouldn't you demand your loan back if you needed the money?
ReplyDeleteIt was an ugly fight between a Jewish brother and sister played out in the media and a real desecration of G-d's name and of the Lubavitch sect.
ReplyDeleteEqually ugly and embarrasing was Yossel's stint as owner of a footy club. Glad that is over.
I can't comment whether Yossel is a tzadik gomur or not. I don't think anybody here has the ability to determine this.
ReplyDeleteHowever, in relation to the matzav in Sydney, I can certainly comment.
People here have accused him of "destroying the Rebbe's shul and mosdos, men's mikva and school in Sydney".
What are you on about?
The shul, mikveh, YG and school are all still in full operation. Every one of them is improving daily.
More effort is being put into improving the chinuch in Sydney (in Kesser Torah and elsewhere). Shiurim are now a regular feature in shuls. The Mikveh is undergoing heavy renovations. A new one is in the making (at Tzemach Tzedek).
On the contrary, now there is more of all of this. More yidden daven now with a minyan (in both shules). There are more choices of chinuch (Feldman's cheder vs. Kesser Torah College).
NO CHURBAN CAME OUT OF THIS!!!!
If you are refering to the actual machlokes, anybody who knows the inside information will acknowledge that the community has been uterrly disappointed with the Shaliach before the whole Gutnick saga. The split (e.g. new shul, taking over the school) was in the making for a while, at least in theory. It was ready to platz any day.
All Yossel did was collect his money and go.
Ah! the chilul Hashem - that's a different story. There are two sides to every dispute. Both can probably take the "credit".
Bottom line, finally Sydney has a thriving kehilla, dedicated to real authentic yiddishkeit and chassidus without any political agendas, money grabbing, power seizing etc. It's a kehilla where there is only one agenda: harbotzas hatorah and yir'as shomayim the way the Chabad Rebbeim want.
May they go from strength to strength giving the Rebbe much nachas.
Yossel's supporter said...
ReplyDeleteYossel did NOT cause a "churban" in Sydney. He simply recalled a loan. Wouldn't you demand your loan back if you needed the money?
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Anonymous said...
Equally ugly and embarrasing was Yossel's stint as owner of a footy club. Glad that is over
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Yossel wanted 4-5 million from Rab Feldman - who didn't have it. So he sold up the shul and other properties and pocketed $15,000.000!!!. Sinc when are we allowed to collect interest? It is an issur min hatorah! And then such high rates of interest are unheard of even in the goyish business world.
But really, if Yossel could give away $3 million to the Football club, he couldn't give $4 million to the rebbes instituions in Sydney and save his sister and brother in law the shame and pain?
What is the matter with us Chabadniks? We see nothing wrong in Chillul Hashem? in going to non-Jewish courts - another issur min haTorah? In destroying mosdos? (Yes I know new and maybe better ones have appeared in Sydney. But do you know that for 5 months there was no mens mikva there? That too had been sold off. Do you know how important mikva for men was considered by the rebbe?)
The true answer???
Many people don't like Rabbi or Mrs Feldman [justifiably or not justifiably, remember Sydney was a Chabad wilderness before they arrived there] - so they don't care how many averos are/were done in the destruction of the Yeshiva community there.
Says heaps for our Ahavas Yisroel.
why did Yossel help fund the local orange march? He can't seem to resist a chance to get his name in the news. Today's AJN Yossel says he did not bother trying to see Sharon. Who says Sharon would want to see Yossel? Yossel really thinks he is the main man of the Jews.
ReplyDeleteTZEMACH TZEDEK COMMUNITY THE FUTURE OF SYDNEY
ReplyDelete"Not an ostrich" is a really big OSTRICH !
ReplyDeleteHe said you can't charge interest, and that it is an "Issur Min HaTorah". Either he is ignorant or has his head in the sand! Haven't you heard of "Heter Isker"? It is very common business practice today and for many years, that interest IS charged legally. "Heter Isker" is a simple document signed by the parties that allows this. Some would call it a "loop hole", but you should ask your Rabbi or a friend to explain how it works. In conclusion, if you are ignorant of jewish laws, you should give people the benefit of the doubt before you launch into a tirade of critisism.
Parsha said "Why did Yossel help fund the local orange march"?
ReplyDeleteThe answer to Parsha is found in the Parsha !
This week we read Parshas Pinchos. Pinchos was a real hero, he stood up for principle! Yossel too, has had the guts to put his money where his mouth is!
Many others who are opposed to disengagement, are too quiet and shy to come out and support it openly, except of course, The Orange King, The Coat Man !!!
Please see my further comments in the blogs under the rally photos (at top of this web page)
yossel's supporter said...
ReplyDelete"Not an ostrich" said you can't charge interest, and that it is an "Issur Min HaTorah". Either he is ignorant or has his head in the sand! Haven't you heard of "Heter Isker"? It is very common business practice today and for many years, that interest IS charged legally. "Heter Isker" is a simple document signed by the parties that allows this. Some would call it a "loop hole", but you should ask your Rabbi or a friend to explain how it works. In conclusion, if you are ignorant of jewish laws, you should give people the benefit of the doubt before you launch into a tirade of critisism.
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Bubele, you are an ostrich after all...
Of course I know about Hetter Iska!
But as you yourself write above - IT HAS TO BE SIGNED BY [BOTH] PARTIES!!!
BOTH!!
But there was no hetter iska her and definitely not one signed by the Feldman!!!
Now who's the ostrich??
I am getting a little tired of this conversation. The Sydney situation has long been over and all parties have gone their own way. B"H there is still a Yeshivah community in Sydney and now a Tzemech Tzedek community both of which are doing good works.
ReplyDeleteSometimes things do work out for the best.
Any more nasty comments will be deleted.
If Moshe Elkman is reading this he should object to his supporters calling him 'The Orange King' because this is beginning to sound just like a cult with The Coat Man as the cult leader.
ReplyDeleteThis hero worship stuff is juvenile and a bit weird.
S.S. says "this hero worship stuff is juvenile..." But that's what they say about Lubavitch in general!
ReplyDeleteEither we have heros or we don't!
You have the Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach. I have the Orange King. What is the difference?
Checkmate-To try and compare the Lubavticher Rebbe as a hero to Moshek Elkman as a hero is preposterous, ludicrous, and so foolish that it is completely beyond the pale of comprehension!!!
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