Showing posts with label Gush Katif. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Gush Katif. Show all posts

Wednesday, July 27, 2005

Menachem Brod on Gush Katif

I may be sappy but I love this photo!!
From COL:

Last week, when the huge demonstration dispersed after three days in Kfar Maimon, many were disappointed about not proceeding and breaking into Gush Katif by force. These felt that the demonstration failed since the crowd had not arrived at Gush Katif. This is an erroneous feeling says Rabbi Menachem Brod of Sichas Hashavua.

Brod claims that the success of the demonstration is not measured by its destination and ought not to be evaluated by whether the people had or had not arrived at the Kisufim barrier. The demonstration had succeeded particularly because of the fact that it was not violent and that it did not produce clashes between policemen, soldiers and the demonstrators. It succeeded since it voiced a powerful public protest which resonated not only throughout Israel but throughout the entire world.

Saturday, July 23, 2005

Kinus for Gush Katif in Sydney

This is what should have been organised in Melbourne:

Kinus of Torah, Tefilloh and Tzedokah

Sunday 17 Tammuz
4.00pm – 4.45pm ( followed by Mincha )

To show support and to pray for our brethren in Gush Katif.

Men, women and children are invited.

Includes a raffle for children.

Tzemach Tzedek,
1 Penkivil St, Bondi

Friday, July 22, 2005

Mincha at Kfar Maimon


This amazing photo of mincha at Kfar Maimon appeared on the Lamed blog here. Just shows that there is more that unites us than divides us!

Mentalblog also has some great photos.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005

More photos from the rally




I was just sent some more photos from the rally including the bottom one showing the pro-disengagement chevra. The middle photo shows that there were some adults attending as well.

I was sent many more photos but most of them were of even worse quality. Also the report of the rally which accompanied the photos was badly written and full of spelling mistakes. They are not helping the cause by being so unprofessional.

Gush Katif Rally Reports



Thank you to a number of people for sending me the photos of the outside of Yeshivah Shul. They clearly show the Israeli flag on the fence. I personally don't have a problem with that but I can understand that to some it represents the non-religious state of Israel rather than Eretz Yisroel.

I have had various reports from the rally last night. Numbers attending ranged from 600 to 1000 - depending on who was reporting it - with approximately 40 protesters from Hashomer Hatzair youth group. Of those attending approximately 70-80% were kids and youngsters.

The official report from the rally organisers says that there were 1000 people in attendance at the Werdiger Hall. I could not find any reports on the web about it so it obviously didn't attract the (positive or negative) attention suggested here. Even the Aust Friends of Gush Katif website didn't have a report up yet just the statement that it was "a great success".

Tuesday, July 19, 2005

Letter from Israel

David Frankfurter is a former Sydneysider who made aliyah with his family 13 years ago. He describes himself as "a business consultant, corporate executive and writer who frequently comments on the Middle East".

This is the introduction to his latest article entitled Use by: Gaza disengagement (click on the link to see the entire article):

Masterful sleight of hand has once again allowed the Palestinian leadership to profess peace, while keeping terror on a slow flame. The reward of yet more billions in international aid was swiftly followed by hate broadcasts and terror. Official Palestinian television mocked the “infidels‚” blown up in London. Hamas rained mayhem on Israel, rushing to meet the “use-by‚” date on its stores of rockets and mortars. They can’t let Sharon’s disengagement plan leave the rewards to Abu Mazen and his cronies.

Monday, July 18, 2005

Gush Katif and the Rally

(Go to this link to get details of the settlements in Gaza and the Shomron. Click on the cities to get and overview and video of each one.)


Rallies for the support of Gush Katif and other areas included in the disengagement are to be held tomorrow. There has been much criticism of the rally on this site and in the Jewish News and other sources. Much of the criticism has to do with statements made by the organisers and the wording on posters and in articles. This has led to some very emotional outbursts on this site and others.

While it does not excuse the organisers, there is a strong precedent in our community for rash and irrational public statements. Only a couple of years ago the community erupted in debate about the awarding of the Sydney Peace Prize to Palestinian "activist" Hanan Ashwari. Every macher had to have his say which gave the press lots of fodder to show how the Jews are trying to control public opinion. If the "experts" in our community cannot get it right how can we expect a group of politically inexperienced people to present their cause in a rational way.


With regards to the disengagement there are a number of issues at play here but the fact that people are being removed from their homes against their will bothers me the most. We are sitting in our comfortable houses in Melbourne enjoying our middle class lifestyle and are unmoved by the fact that Israeli citizens, who pay taxes and serve in the army etc. etc. are being evicted from theirs.

But saying that I still have negative feelings about publicly marching down Inkerman and Hotham Streets in a demonstration against the democratically elected Israeli government. Even apart from the fact that the Rebbe was against us participating in public political demonstrations this demonstration will serve no practical purpose. From a religious point of view it would make more sense to have an evening of tehillim, divrei Torah and discussion about how we can help Israel.

I am even more disturbed by the rumour that some Zionist youth groups will be holding a pro-disengagement counter demonstration. This is really going to play well in the secular press!!


Rather than dismiss the complete cause let us join in the saying of tehillim wherever we are between 8:30pm - 8:45pm on Tuesday evening.


Here are a number of web sited devoted to the disengagement cause:
Worldwide Solidarity Rally for the Land of Israel
Australian Friends of Gush Katif
Friends of Gush Katif
Save Gush Katif
Even Aish.com has something to say - here

Wednesday, July 13, 2005

Rabbi (Yossel) Gutnick Visits Gush Katif



From col.org.il

Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Gutnick took a trip to Gush Katif today in order to complete his preparations for a huge campaign he is planning in order to halt the expulsion plan. Rabbi Gutnick and his wife, accompanied by journalist, Shmuel Shmueli, and Rabbi Hillel Horowits, started out at Elei Sinai in the north of Gaza. The guests were led by Rabbi Bar Chen, Rabbi of the north of Gaza and Avi Parchan who was formerly driven out of Yamit. Rabbi Gutnick viewed the power station and the petrol tanks in Ashkelon at a distance of no more than 4 kilometers from Elei Sinai.


The guests met with students of the 'Maaleh Ephraim' Yeshiva who have relocated and are now students in Elei Sinai. The yeshiva's management asked for a contingent of Chabad bochrim to reinforce the settlement. The group set out from there to Neve Dekalim, and was hosted at the home of Reb Yigal Kirshenzaft where they had lunch. As they arrived they heard the sound of mortar shells which just fallen and the settlers were instructed to take shelter in secure spaces. The visitors davened Minchah in the new yeshiva which was recently opened by Reb Eli Poltrack who arrived with a group of bochrim from New York. Rabbi Gutnick addressed the bochrim at this occassion.

Comment on Gush Katif

I have been fortunate to get permission from Rabbi Mordechai Gutnick to publish comments on the Gush Katif situation. He emphasised to me that these comments are his own personal opinion and not a psak or specific post. It is a private opinion expressed in clarification of some misrepresentations of his opinions that have been mentioned here and in other places.
Thank you Rabbi Gutnick for your comments.
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I think the reason why blogsites, of whatever nature, will not receive official comments from the "powers that be" is that many of the anonymous posters, especially if they hold dissenting views, tend to attack/revile the messenger and not the message –despite some laudable attempts at times by some well-meaning moderators to limit this. While it is important that there be forums to raise and debate such issues I do not believe that the anonymous nature of a blogsite is the most effective or constructive method of doing so.

Nevertheless I believe I have been quoted on at least one blogsite re the Gush Katif situation, so, despite some hesitation, I think I need to make further comment.

I had been approached from a number of individuals to express an opinion on the activities being organised in our community regarding the current situation in Israel and I had replied in general terms. In view of the way I have since been indiscriminately quoted I think that I now need to be a little more specific.

There are three issues involved in the question at hand.

The first issue is that, to my knowledge, all Torah-true authorities are unanimous in the belief that the evacuation of the settlements in Gaza and elsewhere are a real sakonah for Israel and the Jewish people there. I do not need to elaborate on the Halachic issues – they have been well publicised in numerous forums. Certainly the Lubavitcher Rebbe's opinion regarding the dangers and issur of giving back land is particularly well known and well documented. To me this issue is beyond question. In the current circumstance in Israel there should be no "land for peace" deals.

The second issue is what form of action should be taken by us in Chutz La'Aretz to promote and implement that point of view? In the past, the Lubavitcher Rebbe (who, quite apart from his spiritual cognisance, through his vast personal following and contacts was without doubt the most informed of all Rabbinic leaders) has unambiguously and specifically condemned the resort to public demonstrations as counter-productive and dangerous. It has been argued that the circumstances that elicited such opposition may have been different to the current situation. On the other hand there are those that argue that for security and unity reasons, and where such street demonstration in particular publicly highlights the issue of Jew against Jew, there is even more reason to refrain from public demonstrations on this issue. The acceptable course of action in these circumstances would surely be shev v'al ta'aseh odif ("if in doubt – don't") and we would need to maintain the opposition to public street demonstrations – at least in Chutz LaAretz – unless, of course, there is a clear and specific heter from reliable and responsible halachic authorities for any particular public protest. (This policy may be more flexible in Eretz Yisrael where the voice of the people, expressed through peaceful demonstration, may indeed have more positive effect and a direct impact on government and government policy. But even in such circumstances this would be up to the relevant authorities in Israel to assess - based on their more intimate knowledge of the positive effectiveness and consequences of any such demonstrations as opposed to negative consequences and results.)

This does not mean that we in Chutz La'aretz should remain inactive. Far from it. Firstly, Chazal have told us over and over again that at a time of an evil decree we need to resort to Teshuvah Tephillah and Tzedokoh. Rather than engage in questionable public street demonstrations, our activists, and indeed all of us, should channel activities into promoting, within our community, these methods that have been taught to us by Chazal as being the most effective and positive. A peaceful and non-political community gathering, promoting Teshuva, Tephillah and Tzedokoh would have resulted in a much more unified and constructive response than the current unilateral and divisive proposed street march. Certainly these three issues of Teshuvah, Tephillah and Tzedokoh also need to be encouraged to be translated into our private lives as well. Properly organised communal information sessions, written protests/petitions to Sharon, other members of Knesset and others of influence as well as appropriate advertisements (in appropriate forums) etc are all effective methods of action and protest that probably would have been more universally accepted and ultimately more productive.

In general, those, from all sides, purporting to represent the voice of the community in this issue should have been more consultative with other communal authorities and particularly with Daas Torah. This may have then averted the current controversy over the proposed street march here in Melbourne that is not only questionable as to whether it will be of any positive benefit but has, unfortunately, caused divisiveness and disunity amongst those who are in reality otherwise united in their opposition to the current withdrawal policy.

The third issue is the reaction to any actual forced relocation of the people of Gush Katif and elsewhere that may, G-d forbid, eventually take place. There is no question in my mind that the Rebbe, and indeed any other responsible Torah authority, would be totally against any action that would result in one Jew harming another. Nothing other than "passive/non-violent resistance" should be practiced, advocated or condoned in this entire issue.

May HaShem have rachmonus on us and grant us, and particularly those in Eretz Yisrael, the sechel to do what will best result in the safety, security and unity of all our people wherever they may be found until the imminent arrival of the Geula Shlaima.

Kol Tuv,

Rabbi Mordechai Gutnick

Friday, July 08, 2005

Gush Katif 2

I was hoping to spend a few minutes before Shabbos writing a post about more positive things but since the Gush Katif saga has caused a lot of comment in this blog (many I suspect from the same persons) I feel that I have to make a few comments of my own.

The original article and many, many comments is here.

I was forwarded an email from the chairman of Australian Friends of Gush Katif & Shomron, Moshe Elkman. He expresses what he sees as the positive aspects of the rally to be held on 19 July but also warns against negative actions that some have commented on here.
In the interest of fairness I will add the email to the first comment after this post.

Some interesting comments were made by Jake in Jerusalem regarding this topic. Jake is known by many people in Melbourne as he lived here for a number of years. He also spent many years in America and has lived in Israel in the past and is living there again. Jake is knowledgeable about Israeli (and US and Australian) politics and has, in my opinion, a level headed attitude. I suggest that you read his post which I believe summarises the problem well.

Another correspondent, "Millhouse", another ex-Melburnian living in New York, who is also known for his action on behalf of Israel, is also against the disengagement. A couple of his points are:

  • Demos in Melbourne won't stop the expulsion. The only purpose can be to arouse public sympathy, which might translate into pressure from the general community on the Israeli government. Except that Sharon doesn't care what anyone thinks, he never has.
  • The Lubavitcher Rebbe was against public demos against the USSR. I am not aware of his ever having commented on demos against Israel. The reason he gave for opposing demos against the USSR was that every time there was a demo, the government retaliated against the Jews, vehatzel lo hitzalta et amecha - nothing positive was achieved. Others, with access to much the same information, saw things differently. The whole analysis doesn't really apply to the current situation. I don't see how demos in Melbourne can really help, but I'm even more certain that they can't hurt the situation in Israel (how they affect community relations in Melbourne is another matter).
I agree that the public march and demonstration will solve nothing. A meeting to discuss the problem and say tehillim (which in all fairness is part of the programme) will help much more.

Friday, July 01, 2005

Gush Katif

I have been informed of 3 events to be held this week with regard to informing the Melbourne community of the "disengagement" from Gush Katif.

It seems that the frum community, which usually gets all excited about events in Israel, is ignoring this issue. Some people tell me that there is a question of whether Gaza is actually a part of "greater Israel". Others say that it will appease the arabs (fat chance!). Still others seem to be embarrassed to be seen opposing PM Sharon since he has always been the darling of the political right.

To me there is a basic problem of ejecting people from their homes and businesses. Period.

These are the events. It is good that two of them involve the general Jewish community rather than the frum community only.

1) Kiddush and farbrengen this Shabbos as Kimberley (441 Inkerman Street) with Mr Michael Kleiner (Chariman of the Herut Party in Israel) and Rabbi Joseph Gutnick at 12 noon after davening

2) Mr Kleiner will be speaking at Beth Weizman Sunday 3rd July 8pm

3) Brigadier General Ruth Yaron (Official IDF Spokesperson) will be speaking at State Zionist Council meeting Beth Weizman Tuesday July 12th 8pm

For more information go to the Australian Friends of Gush Katif and Shomron website www.gushkatif.com.au